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[alwaysbeenasmiler]

Most of the time, fandom_secrets has secrets that really aren't relevant to my fandoms or interests but I hit upon a Snape one and I was like "Seriously?". It's like 24/7 Snape bashing on that thread. From a writer's standpoint I can see why people would hate Snape but I can see where he DID NOT get what he wanted in the end.

Snape had a cruddy childhood, the worst possible that you could imagine and I believe that he was on the wrong path anyways and he got to school and was bullied which in turn made him a bully but Lily befriended him and put a small bit of humanity within him. Rejected yes and then when events went down, well he only was protecting Lily's son in her memory, not because he had any sort of love for James' son. (I do like to think that there was something about Harry that was indescribably Lily's, perhaps his smile or his eyes.. idk something that would make it easier for him to want to protect him.)

In the end he died and it was exactly what he deserved. And I'm not saying this in a 'eat penguin shit, snape" sort of way, but rather he had protected Lily's son to the best of his abilities and he didn't have any use anymore. For someone who went his entire life without being loved, well.. I'm not excusing his behavior but neither am I condemning it either.

But character hate is alright, it's something. I think that as far as characters go.. love them or hate them.. the worst is to be ambivalent to them. So if J.K Rowling makes some people hate Snape, well then she did her job amirite?

Fandom, serious fucking business!

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[bonnefois]

Actually, tumblr really revived the Snape issue and briging him up pretty much brings up "Snape is a Nice Guy and bully!" arguments.

[alwaysbeenasmiler]

So that's who we have to blame for it?

Hooboy; I think that really he lays within the middle ground. He certainly wasn't a nice guy but he did have a reputation to maintain. It's hard to say though. I forgot how fun fandom could be when it gets into those sort of arguments. (really I'm mostly joined to Tales Blogs on the Tumblr site *which I occasionally check.. when I remember).

[traitortoheaven]

Snape is a shitty human being, but he is a fascinating character... and that's why I love him.

Buuut as someone else pointed out, tumblr revived the mass Snape hate. Because no one can like Snape. Ever. Not even for the reasons I like him. We must all hate him. Always.

Fandom makes me lose bits and pieces of my sanity. I may never recover some of those pieces.

[alwaysbeenasmiler]

I think alot of the most fascinating characters have done some pretty shitty stuff (which is why I love ALL of the traitors that come from the Tales series, the fact that they are charming and yet have their reasons for oh I don't know.. BETRAYING THE PARTY is fascinating. Because characters with flaws are beautiful, I think that fandom seriously needs to grow up and certain people need to realize that it's alright for THEM not to like Snape, but to try to mass convert everyone else IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

asshats.

[breyzyyin]

Fandom can be so overly serious sometimes, lolz.

But character hate is alright, it's something. I think that as far as characters go.. love them or hate them.. the worst is to be ambivalent to them. So if J.K Rowling makes some people hate Snape, well then she did her job amirite?
~This is very true though. If you either love or hate a character, it means you at least *feel* something for them: that's better IMO than not feeling anything at all over them and their stories.

[alwaysbeenasmiler]

I don't know, it was dumb because in fandom secrets there were threads upon threads of this hate. No one responded to mine though so I escaped the culling of the fold.

[7veils]

Snape is supposed to be hated? Why?

Rowling said he was the one "Dark" figure out of the lot who was redeemed. It wasn't only that he was protecting Harry, but he was protecting Draco, too, at least keeping him from becoming so irreversibly dark that he couldn't walk away from Voldemort in the end.

But who am I to have an opinion about this ... other than another Rowling fan?

;-P

[alwaysbeenasmiler]

Yeah, I know. But it's just a lot of really dumb stuff that makes me just go "really?'. Well that was just my fannish rant of the day. I don't care if you personally love or hate snape. But god damn it, don't publically hunt other people that like him.

[7veils]

There's a public hunt?

BWAHAHA!

It makes me want to go there and troll like a hanging booger just to Seriously Piss Off the people with no lives.

[alwaysbeenasmiler]

Yeah, I just stated my opinion and then left it at that. Because if people are going to just state their opinion, well then damn it if I will.. but yeah, more important things to do. And ironically it started over a secret about why someone thought Lily/Snape was unrealistic but thought Snape/Hermione was okay (which was already trolling in it's own way)

[7veils]

I know someone who used to set off these kinds of stupid fandom flame wars just for sh*ts-and-giggles because she was bored at work, and her employers obviously didn't care about what she was up to as long as her butt was parked in her seat. When you posted this, part of me wondered if it was the same person, same old tricks, new fandom ...

[alwaysbeenasmiler]

I know someone who used to do that too.. for exactly the same reason. It was very very annoying to me. Don't know what ever became of it, hopefully they just got bored.

[7veils]

(Course I won't, because I've got other things to do ... people to see ...)

[blitzwing]

In the end he died and it was exactly what he deserved. And I'm not saying this in a 'eat penguin shit, snape" sort of way, but rather he had protected Lily's son to the best of his abilities and he didn't have any use anymore. For someone who went his entire life without being loved, well.. I'm not excusing his behavior but neither am I condemning it either.

I can kind of understand the "eat penguin shit" motive for that more...like from a technical plot/writing point of view he wasn't needed any longer and killing him was probably a convenient wrap-up, but I don't like how common Redemption Equals Death is versus the Redeemed getting a happy ending. People (characters) don't deserve to die once their usefulness to other people is over. Once Voldemorte was truly defeated and Harry had beat the prophecy, I think he would have had a better chance to move on and find happiness then before, when he was weighed down with the past and obligations.

[zerenitia]

I actually cried a lot when Snape was killed. I went through all those books beforehand cursing the man because wow, what an asshole, ya know? But then learning about his past was kind of a different thing that yeah, sure, shouldn't really change your opinion but otherwise add clarity to why he was the way he was and so on and so forth.

I guess I enjoyed him as a character because he was in the end one of those tragic characters, a man who was hurt and bitter but still did what he had to do because as you said, Lily sparked something in him. It paid off, anyway, and him dying in the end was the best way to go. I think even from an author's standpoint it'd be hard to argue "okay, so now after this story, what's next for Snape?" because honestly, he's done what he had to do, as sad as it is it was best for him to go.

idk, I guess I ended up with a respect for him that I didn't think I'd ever have XD; maybe that's what shook me the most.

[brideofmartel]

I think that it's definitely very interesting to think about and you have a very very good point!

[nanslice]

Oh man, that entire thread was golden. Mind, I'm not the biggest Snape fan in the world and I agreed with a lot of (most of!) the hate but I love when people get pissed off on fandomsecrets. That's my favorite community on DW. |D